[Layering more than one Effect in one type of fixture]

When I have a cue playing and I have an zoom effect (for example) running in a fixture in that cue (nothing in the programmer), when I go to add a colour effect (or any other effect) into that same fixture, as I select the fixture it automaticly loads in the previously recorded effect parameters which means that I cannot alter the new effect without changing the already recorded one? Is there a way that I can layer effects into the same type of fixture?

 

Thanks,

Chris

[Automove V's Blocking]

I just checked again, and yes the new cue stack is also set on 'move on dark'.

 

The way I see it, because when I block the starting cues, I block all of the parameter info (which means that I essentially have recorded the fixtures -that are not in- at zero) the 'Move While Dark' may not recognise the fact that the fixtures are at zero?

 

The more and more I work with 'Auto move functions' ie Strand 500's Grand MAs etc, the more I don't think I like it. Whilst it can save you a little time, I would rather have the option to insert the mark cue which inturn gives me the ability to put a timing on the auto move (mark) cue.

 

For example if I have a bunch of movers in a theatre rig that are just hung off Lx bars and during the blackout they all decide to auto move to their next position over the pre-determined move time (1 or 2 secs) you can bet you life that when you play into your next cue all the Lx bars will be shaking.

 

When I have a physical mark cue, I can then change the timing to maybe 5secs or longer which inturn will stop all possible bar shaking etc.

 

It think would be great to still have this ability.

 

:?

[Copying Multiple Cues?]

excellent, Thanks

[Automove V's Blocking]

This is a bit hard to explain but I will give it a go.

 

What I need to do is copy cues from one stack to another. I need to copy cues not only from the start of the cue list but also from anywhere in between.

 

I have set the stacks to Auto Move.

 

What I am finding as I copy the cues (say cue 15 + 16) from stack 1 across to the new stack 3 (say to cue 6 + 7) because I have not blocked the start cue 15 before I copy it, as I play the new cue 6 into 7 any information that I have not recorded into cue 16 before I copied it (say colour) will have tracked forward in the new stack 3 from cue 5 or previous cues.

 

In order to correct this if I block cue 15 - then copy the cues across to cue 6 and 7 (as before), cue 6 then plays correctly. However when I play into cue 7 (the copy of 16) whilst all parameters in this cue are correct, this cue does not Auto move because I have blocked cue 6 (the copy of 15).

 

Is there a way for the Auto move to work even if you have blocked the previous starting cue?

 

I think I have explaind this in a way you can understand? :roll:

[Copying Multiple Cues?]

Do you have an estimate time of when you think that you may have a newer version of software available?

[Copying Multiple Cues?]

Is there a way I can copy multiple cues across at the same time instead of copying individual cues only?

 

Eg:

 

I want to copy cues 4 thru 5 from Stack 9, to cue 1 thru 2 in stack 1.

 

Then

 

I want to copy cues 8 thru 11 from Stack 9, to cues 3 thru 6 in stack 1.

 

Thanks

[Using UDFs to fade in effects?]

Firstly, how do you intend to put a chase onto a UDF ? You can assign a number of different things to a UDF but a chase (which is essentially a complete cue stack) is not one of them.

 

You could always program a cue stack and then set it to run as a chase. Then program a macro that causes the cues stack (chase) to run and then either run the macro directly or assign it to a UDK and run the macro by pressing the UDK

 

Sorry but I did not make myself very clear. When I was speaking of chase in this example, I was talking about an intensity chase created from the effects pallet (chase, smooth, fader). This is essentially only one cue not a number of cues within a stack. I am not trying to put a generic chase into a UDF. This is only one example of what I would like to control manually from the UDFs. I also would like to (for example) make one of the UDFs gobo rotation only. If I record the gobos rotating fast into a UDF when I manually fade the fader to full, the gobos will rotate to the speed recorded, but however if I only take the fader to 50% then the gobos will only rotate half as fast as they have been recorded into the UDF (hence by only taking the fader toi 50%). So is it possable to do this?

 

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[Using UDFs to fade in effects?]

I am trying to use the UDFs with effects.

 

What I am trying to do is set up an intensity chase, record it into a UDF so as I can use this chase anytime over cues that are playing on the playbacks. When I do this the UDF always uses the recorded time.

 

For example:

If I have a state playing on stage, I would like to slowly fade the intensity chase manually into and out of that cue without affecting the cue itself. Is it possible to do this on the Frog? I can do it on the hog by recording the intensity chase into a playback fader and making that fader ICBF (intensity, colour, beam, focus) only. This means when I manually push the fader up it executes what ICBF information that has been recorded into that fader. I just tried to record the intensity chase into the playbacks as well but I still cannot get it to act as a manual effect that I can overlay at anytime.

 

Essentially I would like to use this feature with not only the intensity chase but other parameter effects as well. I would also need to record certain fixtures associated with the particular effect within the cue as well.

 

Is this possible?

:cry:

[Recording Cues with Effects]

When I record a new cue over 10 secs with an effect running, what I am finding is that when I play the recorded cue back the effect seems to fade in over 10 secs as if you were winding the effect in manually. The effect seems to cycle through all the parameters of the effect becfore it gets to the recored values. This in turn makes the effect (especially over long fade times) move irraticly and all over the place until it reaches its destination. For example on a hog I can set up a state with an effect running and record it. Then when I play it back it will fade intensity and position nicely into the state I created and the effect will have a smooth transition. At the moment I can not seem to get a nice transition from the Frog. What am I doing wrong? :?

[Editing multiple times accross multiple parameters?]

There are a number of methods which allow you to set the values or fade or delay times for a number of fixtures / parameters at the same time ...

 

To set the fade time for the same parameter of a number of different fixtures:

 

Display the Program Window on the monitor.

Select the required fixtures

Select the required parameter of one of the selected fixtures on the Program Window using the mouse.

Press the SET key

Enter the required time (eg 5 ENTER = 5 seconds)

 

You can also set the fade times for all parameters or just one or more selected attributes of the selected fixtures in the Program Window as follows:

 

TIME X ENTER (all parameters to X seconds)

TIME COLOUR X ENTER (all colour parameters to X seconds)

TIME BEAM X ENTER (all beamshape parameters to X seconds)

TIME POSITION X ENTER (all position parameters to X seconds)

TIME COLOUR X BEAM Y POSITION Z ENTER (all colour parameters to X seconds, beamshape parameters to Y seconds and position parameters to Z seconds)

 

Fade times can also be entered in a similar manner when recording a cue or editing a cue - see Frog 2 Operating Manual - Pages 81 - 83

 

Yes it all makes perfect sense. thanks

[Debug Files?]

Send the debug file to myself or Peter Kirkup ( pkirkup@zero88.com )and we will forward it to the engineer for analysis.

 

Any additional information on what you were doing when the desk crashed, which software you were running and a show file may also help us to track down the source of the problem.

 

I remember seeing this problem on a much earlier version of the desk software - if the cue stack was active at the time.

 

Therefore it is important for us to know what version of software is running on your desk.

 

Thanks,

 

I just sent an email with all relevant details. I am currently running Version 3.0.0. and yes the cue stack was running at the time.

[Editing multiple times accross multiple parameters?]

Is there a way (in a recorded cue or while recording the cue) that I can select more than one parameter over multiple fixtures so as I can change all the times at once?

 

eg:

 

I have set up the look I would like to record but now would like to set the times:

 

• I would like to change the time on all, Cyan Magenta Yellow for four fixtures from 3secs to 5secs.

• I would then like to change the time of the pan and tilt on the four fixtures from 3secs to 10secs.

• I then would like to change the delay on all, Cyan Magenta Yellow on the four fixtures to 2secs.

 

At the moment I have to individually change each parameter time for each fixture one at a time. Is there a way to select multiple parameters across multiple fixtures?

:?

[Debug Files?]

Frog 2 just crashed while deleting ques from a quelist. Did re-start ok with deleted ques gone. Would like to send through the de-bug file. Who should I send it to?

[Connecting to Capture using Art-Net]

First thing make sure the IP adress on your PC is set to something like 2.0.0.1

then on the frog 2

Transmit Arnet: yes

Network Switch: 2

subnet: 0

universe 1: 0

Univesre 2: 1

Universe 3: 2

universe 4: 3

 

You may have to change the networkswitch from 2 to 10 and back again to force it to take.

regards

Richard

A.C.T. Lighting inc

 

I did find out what was wrong finally. It was that I needed a Xover cable OR Ethernet Switcher. Once I had one of these (ethernet switcher) everything worked as it should. I find it strange though that no-ware to be found was this info. Not in the Capture manual OR the Frog manual. I think for the sake of a few extra printed words it would be handy to have this basic info contained within the operating manual don't you think?

 

Thanks

[Connecting to Capture using Art-Net]

Just wondering if there is any thing I need to regarding connecting to a pc using art-net. The manual does not say much at all.

With these menus:

 

Transmit Art-Net

Network Switch

Subnet

Universe 1 Port

Universe 2 Port

Universe 3 Port

Universe 4 Port

 

What should I switch these to? I assume thet 'Transmit Art-Net' should say Yes? The others I am not sure of?

[Desk Crash loop]

If you wish to perform a complete wipe and reload of the desk, you should download the Frog 2 Operating System Install CD v0.0.0.8 . This can then be burned to a CD, following the instructions in the PDF file.

 

This will perform a complete wipe of the Frog 2 and reinstall the necessary components. It will also upgrade the desk to the latest software versions.

 

I believe Simon was referring to the clear option in the Backup utilty. However, you should upgrade the desk to 0.0.0.8 and version 3.0.0 of the Desk software as there are many new features and bug fixes between 2.0.3 and 3.0.0.

 

Good luck with the upgrade.

 

Peter

 

Thanks for all that, I have just completed the complete system reset/install and all seems to be working fine now so I'll give it another go.

 

Thanks

[Desk Crash loop]

OK,

It seems you have an older version of the desk operating system installed...

Download THIS UTILITY and follow the instructions in the readme file for creating a backup file...

If you could e-mail me the backup.dat file it creates (saspland@zero88.com), I should be able to extract your showfile from it...

Once you have a backup.dat file (and have verified it) you can use the clear option, this should make the desk boot again.

Although I would recommend upgrading the desk to the latest OS available on the zero88 website. See THIS TOPIC.

 

I assume that the clear option that you are talking about is the option in setup - once the desk has started up correctly? Unfortunatly I still can not start the desk up ':(' . The only way I can is in explorer (holding F1 down and clicking explorer'. Once I have found the 'Run' application in explorer it will start up, although I have found that there seems to be a problem in the cue information ':x' . As I go to clear out everything one by one, when I try to clear the cue info it crashes. Is there a way I can just load the new software without having to let the desk boot up? Or should I just re-install the whole software. The version that is on the desk is 2.0.3. ':?' I do not really care about loseing the show info anymore.

[Desk Crash loop]

All I have in the window that comes up is:

Refresh,

Update

Desk

Commit

Shutdown

CMD

Explorer

 

I can not see save or clear or anything like that?

 

Chris

[Desk Crash loop]

Hi,

 

Just wondered if you have come accross this before but I was recording a que with an effect running and the desk crashed. Upon restarting it started up but every time it gets to the point of loading it crashes saying 'The instruction at "0x7c910fzb" referenced memory at "0x00000004". The memory could not "read".' It shows different error numbers each time.

 

I have not saved to disk or anything and hopefully will not lose the set-up I had. But as it seems at the moment I can not even get into the set-up. Is there a hard reset button or something somewhere so I can reset the desk?

 

Can you help me?

 

Chris