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@Edward- Z88that is all really helpful - thanks, and thanks for the offer of a chat - I may well take you up on that at some point.

@kgallenthanks - we have DMX to each IWB (and at floor level both sides on stage), and we have a DMX buffer in the dimmer room. The Chilli Pro dimmers have bypass, so we can hard power anything on the IWB / grid if needed.

Our non-profit 77 seat venue is currently being refurbed (literally the whole building, inside and out) - which in lighting terms means out with the old patchbay & 18 channels of Status, in with IWB for FOH1 and LX1-4, with 48ch of Chilli Pro. Due to budget constrains, we are sticking with a Fat Frog console in the short term, but potentially funding may become available in the coming months for something new. We have a complete mix of shows & events - cinema, comedy, music, panto, plays with casts anything from 1 to about 30 - mostly we are a receiving house, but the resident am-dram do the panto and 2 other shows each year. Inventory-wise we have primarily conventional - mostly CCT minuette and Sil, P.23, PAR64, etc. We do have a few older intelligent fixtures - 4 x Martin Roboscan 812, 1x Robocolor 2 set, 2 x generic RGBD PAR, 2 x generic RGBD Floods - typically only used for music and panto type stuff. In terms of operators, in-house volunteers range from myself (been there about 20 years, primarily lighting) to the venue director who just needs it simple for when he is flying solo. Some touring shows bring a tech, some bring a design and a cue list, some bring a console, some bring a showfile (ETC - not sure if anyone in recent years has brought any Zero88, tbh) It feels like the sensible console purchase for in-house use would be FLX S24 - physically smaller than the Fat Frog, great value for money, simple yet powerful functionality. But I wonder about: Will the lack of keypad / command syntax entry be an issue for programming a theatre cue-stack (for example for a 1 night touring show bringing their own tech) Or does it work if we plug a usb keyboard in? Will the limit of 48 fixtures be a problem (I strongly suspect not, seeing as we don't have sufficient current inventory to fill it up) Will the lack of a monitor output be a problem (I suspect not, because we could use a remote monitor) I'm reading that the channel select buttons cannot be used to flash or solo a channel? I think the 'nice-to-have' console purchase would be the FLX - but I think that's more 'want' than 'need' Opinions / comments please?

As I suspected - thanks for the explanation!

Fat Frog - I record a state on a sub, then use that sub in various memories. I then edit the sub - is it possible to have the updated sub state updated in the memories? (e.g. I want to pre-program all the memory cues using subs ahead of time, then just edit the subs, and the memories would then follow / match the subs? Possible?

Thanks Paul - its just generics in the rig tonight, but will bear that in mind for the future. Rob

OK, so I'm pretty sure I know the answer, I just need confirmation. FatFrog, going to setup various states on the faders, then save them to subs. I then want to use those subs to setup a state, then save that overall state (made up of subs) onto a scene memory. I assume that just works, right? That the scene memory will record the output of the subs? Rob

I think I just created my first fixture file. LEDJ 252 RGB panel. I use a Fat Frog, so I guess the details I've added into the fixture are of no use to me, but if anyone else happens to be able to make use of them, then great. Rob LEDJ_252.ift