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Juggler was a ‘simple’ 2-preset desk so I don’t think it was superseded by Jester which is a programmable desk. I think the lineage was more like: Level series -> Juggler Alcora/Elara -> Jester Illusion -> Jester TL, ML Sirius -> Frogs Stage Electrics had Juggler in stock (albeit clearance) earlier this year. I’ve not seen Jesters on sale new for a long time. So in answer to your question, Juggler could have been current until 2021/22 timeframe I recon. The datasheet says ‘(c) 2018-2021 Signify’ as a copyright date. The Juggler manual says 2005. So it was around for some time. Maybe search on the forum to see if Jon mentioned a discontinue date.

That’s weird. I see from this thread, I wrote an IFT fixture for another user using the 2.6 fixture tools and he reports it loaded and worked ok. This needs more investigation…

OK, I have an answer, employing "secret sauce". If the console is in global cue only mode, this means that upon recording, tracking will be Cue Only, and fixtures that are on will be snapshotted. Therefore, to capture values for fixtures that are currently off (0%), you would need to do a full snapshot. So go into the cue, stop the effect, SHIFT+RECORD > type the cue number > ENTER > Overwrite. @Worcester RGSTech I hope this finally solves your issue!

If that’s the case, how does he record No Effect in Cue Only? This needs insider knowledge of ZerOS. Where is @Edward Z88 when you need him!

Did you use Fixture Tools 2.6 and save an ift file? It should just work… Can you elaborate more on what you did? Maybe upload your fixture file here and we can take a look. I see you started a new thread - maybe we can continue on that (but please avoid double-posting, you won’t get help any quicker…).

If you’re in cue-only mode then I thought the console records ‘everything’. In which case your ‘No Effect’ should have worked regardless. Maybe that’s not how ZerOS works! In cue-only I wonder if move on dark can ever work. Hmmm. Others more experienced with cue-only may know!

Somehow you have to get a "No Effect" instruction in there otherwise even if your next movers cue is at a new position, they'll just start dancing around that new position. I'm not familiar with Solution but as it's a "modern" ZerOS console (i.e. post Frog2/LF94/ORB) I would expect it to have Smart Tag, assuming you're not in "Cue Only" mode. So I'm not clear why your Record and Update options boxes don't show a usable Smart Tag button.

This is why we’re here! Keep asking/sharing and we’ll do our best. If you can help out another user - either directly by asking a question of your own which is answered, or more directly, then even better. That’s how this forum works, especially now the Vari-lite support is minimal.

Just to check, did you run the cue first and then apply the recipe?

@Worcester RGSTech can you upload your showfile then maybe one of us can have a play in Phantom. I’m not sure what the HEIC file you uploaded above is, my iPhone doesn’t recognise it.

ETA if my instructions are not clear, Edward documented the process in this paragraph (although again for FLX series). As he says, you might need to Track Forward, depending on where your cue is programmed/when you do the Update process:

@RJP @DMH @Alexandre Honestly, you'd have to try it. I don't think there were major database changes from 7.14.3 to 8.0, but support for relays was added. If you didn't use the new features in 8.0 like the new channels/playbacks/groups/palettes, then maybe there is a chance. Save your showfile and try it. Review the outline of the changes on this page. Other users may comment if they've tried to go backwards from 8.0 with a showfile.

To clarify, for Update you need to get up the options box to turn off SmartTag. For FLX this is press and hold the Update key.

Hi @Worcester RGSTech This is a common gotcha on ZerOS consoles. I don’t know the exact syntax on Solution, sorry, but assuming you have a fairly recent ZerOS then you need to Update the cue with [No Effect] with SmartTag turned off. GO your "dancing and lit" cue then GO your blackout cue (where the movers are dark but dancing). Select the fixtures of interest [No Effect] [Update] Turn off SmartTag Tap the Playback button holding that cue Almost certainly the blackout cue was recorded with SmartTag on in which case it doesn’t record the [No Effect] instruction, just the fixtures going to intensity 0. This means your fixtures keep dancing when they are dark. Yep Jon and Edward are gone but there are user-folk on here who can still help you.

Hi @SoleJan Blue UP to the sky, green DOWN to the grass. (Blue means that channel intensity went up, green it went down.) White, it's a blocking value, purple it's tracked. Red from the programmer (highest priority), yellow for some other controller. Red background is Parked. Grey background (for a short time) is moving on dark. They're all here: https://www.zero88.com/manuals/zeros/desktops-windows/output-window#colours